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(Note + This article made me pull the trigger on a Neo Geo CD thinking it would work with my setup. I use an Extron Crosspoint and it won't send anything but csync through, so I am out a decent amount of money and I'd hate for it to happen to other people.)
 
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'''Note: There is not a known working Neo Geo CD CSYNC Mod. There is a Sync on Luma mod that is working, but the CSYNC mod listed below doesn't actually work. It makes CRTs unable to sync to the image and modern upscalers don't work with it either. Even LM1881 boards don't seem to be able to strip the sync correctly from the composite video. There needs to be some actual investigation as to the reasons why.'''
**NGCD CSYNC**


I've only tested a handful of Neo Geo CD systems, but all had the same strange flaw: csync isn't connected to the multi-out!  Now, unless your target device requires csync, this mod _IS NOT NECESSARY!!_  All you'll need for good performance is a shielded RGB cable, as linked to in [http://www.retrorgb.com/neogeo.html the main Neo Geo page]!  If you _do_ need clean csync coming from the DIN, this guide shows you what you need.
<s>All Neo Geo CD consoles are missing composite sync in the AV out port. However, a simple modification can be performed to restore composite sync if one's setup requires it. Due to this mod's specialized nature, it is not necessarily required as modern devices such as the HD Retrovision cables and RetroTINK line of scalers can accept composite video as sync without real issue.</s>


Tools / Parts Needed:
== <s>Materials required</s> ==
* <s>Phillips head screwdriver</s>
* <s>Soldering iron</s>
* <s>Leaded solder</s>
* <s>Wire</s>
* <s>Wire cutters and stripper</s>
* <s>Multimeter</s>
* <s>Razor blade/X-Acto knife</s>


You'll need a few tools for this mod (more info on the tools can be found in [tools.html the tools section]): \- Basic soldering skills. - Philips head screwdriver - Razor, X-Acto Knife or box cutter (something really sharp). - Soldering iron / solder - Thin gauge wire - Multimeter
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== <s>Procedure</s> ==


 
<s>This is a fairly simple mod, but it requires cutting several traces and should only be attempted at one's own risk. In this mod, sync is pulled directly from the [http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/indexerfiles/Scans-066/DSA2IH00189037.pdf CXA1645P] video encoder chip, which is TTL sync.  If the console is run through an Extron device or other device which is capable of accepting TTL sync this is fine, but do ''not'' connect direct TTL sync to other equipment such as an RGB monitor. Adding a 680 ohm resistor to the device or cable should lower the sync voltage to an acceptable level. It is also possible to connect luma from the S-video connector as a sync source instead of the TTL sync from the video encoder.
 
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This is a fairly easy mod, however it requires cutting traces on your NGCD, so please do this at your own risk!!!  As an FYI:  This mod gets sync directly from the [http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/indexerfiles/Scans-066/DSA2IH00189037.pdf CXA 1645P] chip, which I believe is TTL sync.  If you run your systems through [extronrxi.html an Extron device] this is fine, but do _not_ connect direct TTL sync to SCART equipmenT!!  I believe adding a 680 ohm resistor to the device or cable will lower the sync to csync-level voltage, however I haven't tested on an oscilloscope yet!!!
# <s>Start by disassembling the Neo Geo CD console.  Once the top cover has been removed, unscrew the circuit board with the output connectors on it and flip it over.  The wires do not need to be removed.</s>
 
# <s>Locate the [http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts/neoav.htm multi-out connector] as shown below:</s>
If you'd rather not worry about TTL, you can cut the same traces, but connect luma from the S-Video connector instead...but once again, just getting shielded cables is a better solution, as devices that have compatibility issues with composite video often have issues with luma-as-sync as well.
#* <s>[[File:NGCDcsync01.jpg]]</s>
 
# <s>As shown in the photo below, the composite video pin is wired directly to the composite sync pin and then to the composite video output.  Use a multimeter to verify the connection between the three circled pins below with the arrows pointing to them; they should all be connected.</s>
 
#* <s>[[File:NGCDcsync02-small.jpg]]</s>
 
# <s>Use a razor blade or X-Acto knife to cut the traces before and after the composite sync pin of the DIN jack. Use a multimeter to verify that there is no continuity between the composite sync pin and the traces.</s>
\- Start by disassembling your NGCD.  Once you've removed the top cover, unbolt the circuit board with the output connectors on it.  You don't need to remove the wires, just unbolt the board and flip it over.
#* <s>[[File:NGCDcsync03.jpg]]</s>
 
# <s>Add two pieces of wire to the pins shown below. The small wire will connect the composite video line from the CXA1645 back to the composite video pin of the multi-out (and also to the actual composite video output connector, since they're still linked together). The other wire will connect pin 10 (sync input) from the encoder to pin 7 on the multi-out.</s>
\- Locate the [http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts/neoav.htm multi-out connector]: [[File:NGCDcsync01.jpg]]
#* <s>[[File:NGCDcsync04-small.jpg]]</s>
 
# <s>The console should now be outputting composite sync as intended. Test to ensure that this is the case, then reassemble the console.</s>
 
 
\- If you look closely, you can see the composite video signal is routed from the Sony CXA chip, through the csync pin, through the composite video pin (both on the multi-out), then over to the actual composite video output.  Use a multimeter to test the connection between the three circled pins below with the arrows points to them; They should all be connected...and if not, stop what you're doing, as you may have a revision of the NGCD I'm not aware of!! (click the picture for full-sized): [[[File:NGCDcsync02-small.jpg)](https://cdn.retrorgb.com/images/NGCDcsync02.jpg]]
 
 
 
\- Use the X-Acto knife to cut the traces before and after the csync pin.  Don't dig too deep, just cut, then test with the multimeter until there's no connection left on either side: [[File:NGCDcsync03.jpg]]
 
 
 
\- Add two pieces of wire to the pins shown below. The small wire will connect the composite video line from the CXA back to the composite video pin of the multi-out (and also to the actual composite video output connector, since they're still linked together).
 
The other wire will connect pin 10 (sync-in) from the [http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/indexerfiles/Scans-066/DSA2IH00189037.pdf CXA 1645P] chip to pin 7 on the multi-out.  If you're using an RGB SCART cable for your setup, this will send voltage that's _higher_ than the SCART spec and could damage your equipment.  If you're looking for SCART-compatible voltage, you can add a resistor here, but I strongly recommend checking with an [http://www.retrorgb.com/oscilloscope.html oscilloscope] to make sure the output is under 1 volt (a multimeter won't work for this).  Click on the image for full-sized view: [[[File:NGCDcsync04-small.jpg)](https://cdn.retrorgb.com/images/NGCDcsync04.jpg]]
 
 
 
Feel free to go back to [neogeo.html the main Neo Geo page].  If you'd like info on mods for other systems, head to the [/systems.html Getting RGB From Each System page] or check out [/ the main page] for more retro-awesomeness.

Latest revision as of 03:53, 25 August 2024

Note: There is not a known working Neo Geo CD CSYNC Mod. There is a Sync on Luma mod that is working, but the CSYNC mod listed below doesn't actually work. It makes CRTs unable to sync to the image and modern upscalers don't work with it either. Even LM1881 boards don't seem to be able to strip the sync correctly from the composite video. There needs to be some actual investigation as to the reasons why.

All Neo Geo CD consoles are missing composite sync in the AV out port. However, a simple modification can be performed to restore composite sync if one's setup requires it. Due to this mod's specialized nature, it is not necessarily required as modern devices such as the HD Retrovision cables and RetroTINK line of scalers can accept composite video as sync without real issue.

Materials required

  • Phillips head screwdriver
  • Soldering iron
  • Leaded solder
  • Wire
  • Wire cutters and stripper
  • Multimeter
  • Razor blade/X-Acto knife

Procedure

This is a fairly simple mod, but it requires cutting several traces and should only be attempted at one's own risk. In this mod, sync is pulled directly from the CXA1645P video encoder chip, which is TTL sync.  If the console is run through an Extron device or other device which is capable of accepting TTL sync this is fine, but do not connect direct TTL sync to other equipment such as an RGB monitor. Adding a 680 ohm resistor to the device or cable should lower the sync voltage to an acceptable level. It is also possible to connect luma from the S-video connector as a sync source instead of the TTL sync from the video encoder.  

  1. Start by disassembling the Neo Geo CD console.  Once the top cover has been removed, unscrew the circuit board with the output connectors on it and flip it over.  The wires do not need to be removed.
  2. Locate the multi-out connector as shown below:
    • NGCDcsync01.jpg
  3. As shown in the photo below, the composite video pin is wired directly to the composite sync pin and then to the composite video output.  Use a multimeter to verify the connection between the three circled pins below with the arrows pointing to them; they should all be connected.
    • NGCDcsync02-small.jpg
  4. Use a razor blade or X-Acto knife to cut the traces before and after the composite sync pin of the DIN jack. Use a multimeter to verify that there is no continuity between the composite sync pin and the traces.
    • NGCDcsync03.jpg
  5. Add two pieces of wire to the pins shown below. The small wire will connect the composite video line from the CXA1645 back to the composite video pin of the multi-out (and also to the actual composite video output connector, since they're still linked together). The other wire will connect pin 10 (sync input) from the encoder to pin 7 on the multi-out.
    • NGCDcsync04-small.jpg
  6. The console should now be outputting composite sync as intended. Test to ensure that this is the case, then reassemble the console.
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