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There are two main model versions of the Sega Saturn, plus multiple motherboard revisions. Luckily, all can use the same video cables.
**Sega Saturn**


There are two main model versions of the Sega Saturn, plus multiple motherboard revisions.  Luckily, all can use the same RGB SCART cable!  Please scroll down for more information:
== SCART ==
 
* [https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/saturn/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE retrogamingcables.co.uk (PAL/NTSC)] (UK Seller, PAL users ''must'' select "sync on luma", everyone else select "NTSC CSYNC")
[[File:SaturnPage00.jpg]]
 
== Cable Suppliers ==
=== SCART ===
* [https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/saturn/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE retrogamingcables.co.uk (PAL/NTSC)] (UK Seller, PAL users ''must'' select "sync on luma", everyone else select "NTSC csync")
* [https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-rgb-scart-cable-for-pal-saturns-only retro-access.com (PAL)]
* [https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-rgb-scart-cable-for-pal-saturns-only retro-access.com (PAL)]
* [https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-csync-rgb-scart-cable-for-ntsc-model-1-saturn-lead-cord retro-access.com (NTSC)]
* [https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-CSYNC-rgb-scart-cable-for-ntsc-model-1-saturn-lead-cord retro-access.com (NTSC)]
* [https://stoneagegamer.com/insurrection-industries-sega-saturn-rgb-scart-cable-w-csync.html stoneagegamer.com (NTSC)]
* [https://stoneagegamer.com/insurrection-industries-sega-saturn-rgb-scart-cable-w-CSYNC.html stoneagegamer.com (NTSC)]


=== HDMI ===
== HDMI ==
* [[AV:RetroTINK-2X-Family#Rad_2x_Cables|RAD2x cables]]
* [[AV:RetroTINK-2X-Family#Rad_2x_Cables|RAD2x cables]]


=== Component Video Cables ===
== Component YPbPr ==
* HD Retrovision Genesis 2 Cable [https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-genesis-ypbpr-component-cable castlemaniagames.com] ([https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-saturn-a-v-port-adapter-sega-saturn-adapter-for-genesis-2-cable Sega Saturn Adapter])
* HD Retrovision Genesis 2 Cable [https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-genesis-ypbpr-component-cable castlemaniagames.com] ([https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-saturn-a-v-port-adapter-sega-saturn-adapter-for-genesis-2-cable Sega Saturn Adapter])
* Sega Saturn Component Cable [https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/Component-YPbPr-240p/Sega-Saturn-Component-YPbPr-cable-240p retrogamingcables.co.uk]
* Sega Saturn Component Cable [https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/Component-YPbPr-240p/Sega-Saturn-Component-YPbPr-cable-240p retrogamingcables.co.uk]


**Incorrect Cable Warning:**
== DIY RGB Warning ==
Properly built Sega Saturn cables _must_ have a 470 ohm resistor and 220uF capacitor on the csync line of each cable!  Here's an example of what happens on some model 2 Saturn's when you don't have the correct components;  Notice all the weird horizontal artifacts!  Click for full-sized: [[[File:SaturnCsyncCable_small.jpg)](https://cdn.retrorgb.com/images/SaturnCsyncCable.jpg]]
Properly built Sega Saturn cables must have a 470 ohm resistor and 220uF capacitor on the CSYNC line of each cable! Here's an example of what happens on some model 2 Saturn's when you don't have the correct components. Notice all the weird horizontal artifacts!
 
**Saturn Versions:**
There were two models of the Saturn released, each one having different motherboard revisions. The best way to tell the difference in models is the oval vs. round buttons and the “Sega” logo on the front (as shown in the picture below). Please click on the picture if you'd like a [saturncompare.html more detailed explanation], as well as some comparison pictures:
 
[[File:SaturnPage01-.jpg]]
 
**Summary:**
 
\- If you have trouble with your existing RGB SCART cable, try adding a 220uF capacitor and a 470ohm resistor to the sync line on your RGB SCART cable.  Alternatively, you can order a cable that uses luma as sync, but that might have compatibility issues with some setups.
 
\- If you're looking to buy a Saturn, I've consistently had better luck with Model 1 Saturn's (all US NTSC, I haven't tested PAL or NTSC-J), but I've only tried about a dozen. If you're a die-hard Saturn fan, I suggest researching further to find out which motherboard revision of each region (NTSC or PAL) has the best video output for your solution.
 
\- To be clear, there isn't a "bad" version of the Saturn: All the ones I've tested output an excellent quality image, provided there's nothing wrong with that individual system.


\- If you'd like digital audio, you can try this TOSLINK mod:  [https://assemblergames.com/threads/saturn-dreamcast-toslink.57670/ https://assemblergames.com/threads/saturn-dreamcast-toslink.57670/]
[[File:SaturnCsyncCable.jpg|400px]]


 
== Troubleshooting ==


If you'd like info on mods for other systems, head to the [/systems.html Getting RGB From Each System page] or check out [/ the main page] for more retro-awesomeness.
* If you have trouble with your existing RGB SCART cable, try adding a 220uF capacitor and a 470ohm resistor to the sync line on your RGB SCART cable.  Alternatively, you can order a cable that uses luma as sync, but that might have compatibility issues with some setups.
* If you are unable to get an RGB cable working with a device in your video chain, such as an upscaler, check if your cable is using Luma for sync or if it's CSYNC by using a multimeter and testing if the sync pin has continuity with the sync pin of the Saturn-side connector. Some third party cables use luma sync which some devices (such as Extron Crosspoints) are not compatible with.

Latest revision as of 15:24, 14 July 2023

There are two main model versions of the Sega Saturn, plus multiple motherboard revisions. Luckily, all can use the same video cables.

SCART

HDMI

Component YPbPr

DIY RGB Warning

Properly built Sega Saturn cables must have a 470 ohm resistor and 220uF capacitor on the CSYNC line of each cable! Here's an example of what happens on some model 2 Saturn's when you don't have the correct components. Notice all the weird horizontal artifacts!

SaturnCsyncCable.jpg

Troubleshooting

  • If you have trouble with your existing RGB SCART cable, try adding a 220uF capacitor and a 470ohm resistor to the sync line on your RGB SCART cable.  Alternatively, you can order a cable that uses luma as sync, but that might have compatibility issues with some setups.
  • If you are unable to get an RGB cable working with a device in your video chain, such as an upscaler, check if your cable is using Luma for sync or if it's CSYNC by using a multimeter and testing if the sync pin has continuity with the sync pin of the Saturn-side connector. Some third party cables use luma sync which some devices (such as Extron Crosspoints) are not compatible with.
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