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The Dreamcast natively supports 240p, 480i, and 480p resolutions.<ref>(5/12/2022) Sega Dreamcast. https://www.retrorgb.com/dreamcast.html</ref> All Dreamcast games support 480i, many support 480p, and a few support 240p. The Dreamcast is capable of outputting Composite, S-Video, VGA, and RGB. | |||
== | == VGA Notes == | ||
Not all Dreamcast games are compatible with VGA, but a very large amount are. See the [[Dreamcast:List of VGA Games and Patches]] page for more information. | |||
The VGA output of the Dreamcast is 480p, but it is not the "typical" 480p DTV resolution (720 x 480) of televisions. The VGA output of the Dreamcast is 480p VESA resolution (640 x 480) within a 480p DTV signal.<ref>The 480p VESA is a standard resolution of PC monitors native to the era the Dreamcast was manufactured.</ref> | |||
This means that the correct sample rate of the Dreamcast 480p signal is 858 pixels per line, the same sample rate of any 480p DTV signal.<ref>http://pms.hazard-city.de/ossc_sampling.jpg</ref> If the signal is interpreted as VESA only 800 pixels per line will be sampled, and at this sample rate 43 pixels columns will be lost within the active picture area. Also, if sampled at 800 pixels per line neighboring columns get blurry since the 43 columns are evenly distributed across the screen. | |||
== RGB Incompatibilities == | |||
A few game discs will output composite and S-Video, but not RGB. Some games can be fixed with an ISO patch, however the very few games which are affected won't run in RGB from their original discs. | |||
** | Here's some games that are affected: | ||
* Giga Wing | |||
* Pop 'n' Music (all 4) | |||
* Skies of Arcadia/Eternal Arcadia | |||
* Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 3 | |||
* Super Street Fighter 2 X | |||
* Touken Retsuden 4 | |||
* Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service | |||
* Vigilante 8 2nd Offense | |||
[https://bordersdown.net/forum/gaming/get-answers-games-and-tech/4715-what-ntsc-dreamcast-games-are-non-rgb-compatible See this thread for more information]. | |||
* | *The NTSC version of Skies of Arcadia forces 30khz for RGB even if set to 15khz. | ||
[https://www.dreamcast-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13948 See this thread for more information] | |||
== | == Progressive Scan 240p compatible games == | ||
To access the 240p mode in Dreamcast games, a few games (like ''Bangai-O'') ask if you'd like to start the game in a "progressive" mode and some Capcom Dreamcast games (Third Strike) can be forced into a 240p mode by holding Start+L (or Start+Z on the Arcade Stick) when you turn the system on before the Capcom logo appears. These appear to be the only Dreamcast games that support native 240p: | |||
* Bangai-O | |||
* Black Matrix A/D | |||
* Gunbird 2 | |||
* Gunlord | |||
* Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure | |||
* Last Blade 2: Final Edition | |||
* Last Hope | |||
* Marvel vs Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes | |||
* Neo XYX | |||
* Princess Maker Collection | |||
* Street Fighter Alpha 3 | |||
* Street Fighter Zero 3 | |||
* Street Fighter Zero 3 for Matching Service | |||
* Street Fighter 3: Double Impact | |||
* Street Fighter 3: Third Strike | |||
* The King of Fighters Dream Match 1999 | |||
* The King of Fighters 99 Evolution | |||
* Twinkle Star Sprites | |||
The Dreamcast is also a good platform to use with a downscaler, such as an [[AV:Extron_Emotia|Extron Emotia]], to force 480p games to 240p. | |||
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== Forcing Widescreen mode / Aspect Ratio == | == Forcing Widescreen mode / Aspect Ratio == | ||
Some Dreamcast games have been hacked to run in widescreen mode. | Some Dreamcast games have been hacked to run in widescreen mode. If you play these games on an HDTV, this is definitely worth checking out [https://segaretro.org/List_of_Dreamcast_widescreen_codes this list of widescreen codes]. | ||
Also, the aspect ratio of Dreamcast is a bit weird. | Also, the aspect ratio of Dreamcast is a bit weird. Check out [http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1201520#p1201520 Fudoh's great post about it] and how it can be fixed with the OSSC. | ||
== 480p Aspect Ratio / Sampling Line Issues == | |||
Another problem is that while the DC's signal technically is a 720x480p DTV signal, only the inner 640x480p area is actually used. Any A/D conversion will sample the pillarboxes to the left and right as part of the active image, so you always end up with those aspect ratio problems. The aspect ratio problem is even bigger with DTV sampling (1.18:1 without correction while VESA sampling gives you 1.25:1). You can try using a VGA to component converter to solve the sampling problem, as all component to HDMI converters use DTV sampling rates instead. If you convert from component video to HDMI, it will retain the Dreamcast's picture quality, you'll still end up with the wrong aspect ratio. | |||
You can use a OSSC to apply a DTV sampling AND reduce the active image area to 640 pixels, basically creating a VESA signal from the DTV signal. This solves both problem, but can bring compatibility issues, as not all TVs can accept a 858px wide signal with just a 640 px wide active area. The advantage on the other hand by using a correctly sampled DTV signal without AR correction, is that you get a 1:2 pixel mapping on the horizontal on a Full HD screen. The DC will fill a 1280x1080 area in the middle of the screen, giving you a quite narrow AR, but certainly the best possible picture quality you can get from a DC. By altering the active image area to 640px instead, the signal gets scaled to 1440x1080 instead, so you no longer get an integer scale on the horizontal. Of course you can get proper 4:3 now, but at the expense of some PQ. Some TVs can show 1280x960 from a 640x480p signal, which combines the best PQ with the correct AR, but of course you have to deal with the underscan. | |||
== References == |
Latest revision as of 14:41, 23 August 2024
The Dreamcast natively supports 240p, 480i, and 480p resolutions.[1] All Dreamcast games support 480i, many support 480p, and a few support 240p. The Dreamcast is capable of outputting Composite, S-Video, VGA, and RGB.
VGA Notes
Not all Dreamcast games are compatible with VGA, but a very large amount are. See the Dreamcast:List of VGA Games and Patches page for more information.
The VGA output of the Dreamcast is 480p, but it is not the "typical" 480p DTV resolution (720 x 480) of televisions. The VGA output of the Dreamcast is 480p VESA resolution (640 x 480) within a 480p DTV signal.[2]
This means that the correct sample rate of the Dreamcast 480p signal is 858 pixels per line, the same sample rate of any 480p DTV signal.[3] If the signal is interpreted as VESA only 800 pixels per line will be sampled, and at this sample rate 43 pixels columns will be lost within the active picture area. Also, if sampled at 800 pixels per line neighboring columns get blurry since the 43 columns are evenly distributed across the screen.
RGB Incompatibilities
A few game discs will output composite and S-Video, but not RGB. Some games can be fixed with an ISO patch, however the very few games which are affected won't run in RGB from their original discs.
Here's some games that are affected:
- Giga Wing
- Pop 'n' Music (all 4)
- Skies of Arcadia/Eternal Arcadia
- Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 3
- Super Street Fighter 2 X
- Touken Retsuden 4
- Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service
- Vigilante 8 2nd Offense
See this thread for more information.
- The NTSC version of Skies of Arcadia forces 30khz for RGB even if set to 15khz.
See this thread for more information
Progressive Scan 240p compatible games
To access the 240p mode in Dreamcast games, a few games (like Bangai-O) ask if you'd like to start the game in a "progressive" mode and some Capcom Dreamcast games (Third Strike) can be forced into a 240p mode by holding Start+L (or Start+Z on the Arcade Stick) when you turn the system on before the Capcom logo appears. These appear to be the only Dreamcast games that support native 240p:
- Bangai-O
- Black Matrix A/D
- Gunbird 2
- Gunlord
- Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure
- Last Blade 2: Final Edition
- Last Hope
- Marvel vs Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes
- Neo XYX
- Princess Maker Collection
- Street Fighter Alpha 3
- Street Fighter Zero 3
- Street Fighter Zero 3 for Matching Service
- Street Fighter 3: Double Impact
- Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
- The King of Fighters Dream Match 1999
- The King of Fighters 99 Evolution
- Twinkle Star Sprites
The Dreamcast is also a good platform to use with a downscaler, such as an Extron Emotia, to force 480p games to 240p.
Forcing Widescreen mode / Aspect Ratio
Some Dreamcast games have been hacked to run in widescreen mode. If you play these games on an HDTV, this is definitely worth checking out this list of widescreen codes.
Also, the aspect ratio of Dreamcast is a bit weird. Check out Fudoh's great post about it and how it can be fixed with the OSSC.
480p Aspect Ratio / Sampling Line Issues
Another problem is that while the DC's signal technically is a 720x480p DTV signal, only the inner 640x480p area is actually used. Any A/D conversion will sample the pillarboxes to the left and right as part of the active image, so you always end up with those aspect ratio problems. The aspect ratio problem is even bigger with DTV sampling (1.18:1 without correction while VESA sampling gives you 1.25:1). You can try using a VGA to component converter to solve the sampling problem, as all component to HDMI converters use DTV sampling rates instead. If you convert from component video to HDMI, it will retain the Dreamcast's picture quality, you'll still end up with the wrong aspect ratio.
You can use a OSSC to apply a DTV sampling AND reduce the active image area to 640 pixels, basically creating a VESA signal from the DTV signal. This solves both problem, but can bring compatibility issues, as not all TVs can accept a 858px wide signal with just a 640 px wide active area. The advantage on the other hand by using a correctly sampled DTV signal without AR correction, is that you get a 1:2 pixel mapping on the horizontal on a Full HD screen. The DC will fill a 1280x1080 area in the middle of the screen, giving you a quite narrow AR, but certainly the best possible picture quality you can get from a DC. By altering the active image area to 640px instead, the signal gets scaled to 1440x1080 instead, so you no longer get an integer scale on the horizontal. Of course you can get proper 4:3 now, but at the expense of some PQ. Some TVs can show 1280x960 from a 640x480p signal, which combines the best PQ with the correct AR, but of course you have to deal with the underscan.
References
- ↑ (5/12/2022) Sega Dreamcast. https://www.retrorgb.com/dreamcast.html
- ↑ The 480p VESA is a standard resolution of PC monitors native to the era the Dreamcast was manufactured.
- ↑ http://pms.hazard-city.de/ossc_sampling.jpg