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There are two main model versions of the Sega Saturn, plus multiple motherboard revisions. Luckily, all can use the same video cables.


== SCART ==
* [https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/saturn/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE retrogamingcables.co.uk (PAL/NTSC)] (UK Seller, PAL users ''must'' select "sync on luma", everyone else select "NTSC CSYNC")
* [https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-rgb-scart-cable-for-pal-saturns-only retro-access.com (PAL)]
* [https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-CSYNC-rgb-scart-cable-for-ntsc-model-1-saturn-lead-cord retro-access.com (NTSC)]
* [https://stoneagegamer.com/insurrection-industries-sega-saturn-rgb-scart-cable-w-CSYNC.html stoneagegamer.com (NTSC)]


== HDMI ==
* [[AV:RetroTINK-2X-Family#Rad_2x_Cables|RAD2x cables]]


== Component YPbPr ==
* HD Retrovision Genesis 2 Cable [https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-genesis-ypbpr-component-cable castlemaniagames.com] ([https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-saturn-a-v-port-adapter-sega-saturn-adapter-for-genesis-2-cable Sega Saturn Adapter])
* Sega Saturn Component Cable [https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/Component-YPbPr-240p/Sega-Saturn-Component-YPbPr-cable-240p retrogamingcables.co.uk]


== DIY RGB Warning ==
Properly built Sega Saturn cables must have a 470 ohm resistor and 220uF capacitor on the CSYNC line of each cable! Here's an example of what happens on some model 2 Saturn's when you don't have the correct components. Notice all the weird horizontal artifacts!


**Sega Saturn**
[[File:SaturnCsyncCable.jpg|400px]]


There are two main model versions of the Sega Saturn, plus multiple motherboard revisions.  Luckily, all can use the same RGB SCART cable!  Please scroll down for more information:
== Troubleshooting ==


[[File:SaturnPage00.jpg]]
* If you have trouble with your existing RGB SCART cable, try adding a 220uF capacitor and a 470ohm resistor to the sync line on your RGB SCART cable.  Alternatively, you can order a cable that uses luma as sync, but that might have compatibility issues with some setups.
 
* If you are unable to get an RGB cable working with a device in your video chain, such as an upscaler, check if your cable is using Luma for sync or if it's CSYNC by using a multimeter and testing if the sync pin has continuity with the sync pin of the Saturn-side connector. Some third party cables use luma sync which some devices (such as Extron Crosspoints) are not compatible with.
**RGB Cables:** The Sega Saturn requires no modification to get RGB output, just an RGB SCART cable.  WARNING:  Please make sure to only buy cables from the trusted vendors below!!!  Most Saturn cables are built _wrong_ causing the issue described below.  Stay away from all "cheap" cables...and that includes anything on Amazon that isn't specifically listed here!
 
**[https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/saturn/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE?tracking=5543fb4c077bb Sega Saturn RGB SCART cable]** (UK Seller, PAL users **_MUST_** select "sync on luma", everyone else select "NTSC csync")
 
**[https://retrorgb.link/insurrectionsaturnscart Sega Saturn NTSC RGB SCART Cable]** (US Seller #1)
 
**[https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-csync-rgb-scart-cable-for-ntsc-model-1-saturn-lead-cord?aff=3 Sega Saturn NTSC RGB SCART cable]** (US Seller #2)
 
**[https://retro-access.com/collections/sega-saturn/products/sega-saturn-stereo-rgb-scart-cable-for-pal-saturns-only?aff=3 Sega Saturn PAL RGB SCART cable csync]** (US Seller)
 
 
 
**HDMI Cables:** So far _every_ plug & play HDMI solution I've seen for the Saturn are terrible, except one:  The [http://www.retrorgb.com/unveiling-the-rad2x-hdmi-cables.html RAD2x cables]:
 
**[http://bit.ly/rad2xsaturn RAD2x RGB-to-HDMI Cable:]** This is a zero-lag linedouber, built into a cable.
 
 
 
**Component Video Cables (RGB Quality):**
 
**[https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-genesis-ypbpr-component-cable?ref=w9_zngec1o_ HD Retrovision Genesis 2 Cables]** + **[https://castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-saturn-a-v-port-adapter-sega-saturn-adapter-for-genesis-2-cable?ref=w9_zngec1o_ Sega Saturn Adapter]**:  You can combine HD Retrovision Genesis 2 cables with a Sega Saturn adapter to get high quality component video from your Saturn.
 
[https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/Component-YPbPr-240p/Sega-Saturn-Component-YPbPr-cable-240p?tracking=5543fb4c077bb **Retro Gaming Cables**] - Sega Saturn Component Video Cable
 
 
 
**Incorrect Cable Warning:**
 
Properly built Sega Saturn cables _must_ have a 470 ohm resistor and 220uF capacitor on the csync line of each cable!  Here's an example of what happens on some model 2 Saturn's when you don't have the correct components;  Notice all the weird horizontal artifacts!  Click for full-sized: [[[File:SaturnCsyncCable_small.jpg)](https://cdn.retrorgb.com/images/SaturnCsyncCable.jpg]]
 
**Saturn Versions:**
 
There were two models of the Saturn released, each one having different motherboard revisions. The best way to tell the difference in models is the oval vs. round buttons and the “Sega” logo on the front (as shown in the picture below). Please click on the picture if you'd like a [saturncompare.html more detailed explanation], as well as some comparison pictures:
 
[[[File:SaturnPage01-.jpg)](saturncompare.html]]
 
**Summary:**
 
\- If you have trouble with your existing RGB SCART cable, try adding a 220uF capacitor and a 470ohm resistor to the sync line on your RGB SCART cable.  Alternatively, you can order a cable that uses luma as sync, but that might have compatibility issues with some setups.
 
\- If you're looking to buy a Saturn, I've consistently had better luck with Model 1 Saturn's (all US NTSC, I haven't tested PAL or NTSC-J), but I've only tried about a dozen. If you're a die-hard Saturn fan, I suggest researching further to find out which motherboard revision of each region (NTSC or PAL) has the best video output for your solution.
 
\- To be clear, there isn't a "bad" version of the Saturn: All the ones I've tested output an excellent quality image, provided there's nothing wrong with that individual system.
 
\- If you'd like digital audio, you can try this TOSLINK mod:  [https://assemblergames.com/threads/saturn-dreamcast-toslink.57670/ https://assemblergames.com/threads/saturn-dreamcast-toslink.57670/]
 
 
 
If you'd like info on mods for other systems, head to the [/systems.html Getting RGB From Each System page] or check out [/ the main page] for more retro-awesomeness.

Latest revision as of 15:24, 14 July 2023

There are two main model versions of the Sega Saturn, plus multiple motherboard revisions. Luckily, all can use the same video cables.

SCART

HDMI

Component YPbPr

DIY RGB Warning

Properly built Sega Saturn cables must have a 470 ohm resistor and 220uF capacitor on the CSYNC line of each cable! Here's an example of what happens on some model 2 Saturn's when you don't have the correct components. Notice all the weird horizontal artifacts!

SaturnCsyncCable.jpg

Troubleshooting

  • If you have trouble with your existing RGB SCART cable, try adding a 220uF capacitor and a 470ohm resistor to the sync line on your RGB SCART cable.  Alternatively, you can order a cable that uses luma as sync, but that might have compatibility issues with some setups.
  • If you are unable to get an RGB cable working with a device in your video chain, such as an upscaler, check if your cable is using Luma for sync or if it's CSYNC by using a multimeter and testing if the sync pin has continuity with the sync pin of the Saturn-side connector. Some third party cables use luma sync which some devices (such as Extron Crosspoints) are not compatible with.
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